Everybody knows Bruce Wayne will eventually become Batman, but David Mazouz, who plays the young billionaire in the Fox show “Gotham,” said it will actually take a while before the masked vigilante appears on the show.

“Batman can’t exist until he’s necessary, and he’s not necessary yet. The world of Gotham has to get a lot worse, which it will,” he told Collider. “That’s the show. It really is the story of how a city goes from being okay to just being an absolute mess, and there needs to be a Batman to save it.”

For now, it falls on the shoulders of Jim Gordon (Ben McKenzie) and his friends from the Gotham City Police District (GCPD) to take care of the city. Unfortunately, Gordon is quite disillusioned right now after losing Dr. Leslie “Lee” Thompkins to another man, and has started working as a bounty hunter.

Even though Gordon is now catching monsters for a price, McKenzie said Gordon still maintains his moral values.

“He’s certainly not a villain. He certainly doesn’t inflict pain just to inflict it. He has a certain morality, but it’s far, far away from where found him initially,” McKenzie told Comic Book Resources. “He’s learning a lot of things, and with each lesson he learns, he takes a step forward, but he also in some ways falls apart a bit.”

At the same time, Gordon will develop an interest in reporter Valerie Vale (Jamie Chung). Even though there’s still some unresolved issues between him and Lee, he might just be able to move on from his past love.

“Jim likes that she’s so aggressive, that she’s so unapologetic,” the actor told TV Line of Valerie. “She almost literally slaps him back into taking stock of his life, and that’s something that a guy in his position can appreciate.”